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SilverMac
With gas prices going real high in the 50 states driving a car seems like costly, so many people are getting scooters and motorcycles as an alternative. For scooters you don't need a license but motorcycles you need a license. My dad and a friend told me getting a motorcycle license is really harder than getting a car license. Is it true?
If it is, how can I get a cycle license without much trouble?
Answer
I found this Q while searching for info on the motorcycle road test since I also have opted to purchase a motorcycle for the exact same reason (the high cost of gas ) so I will share my experiences thus far.
I researched a lot of scooters and they were not really what I was looking for since you are limited to 35MPH and lower roads (in Virginia) and found the Yamaha TW200 fat-tired bike would suit my needs (I like to call it an off-road all-terrain scooter that gets 75MPG :)
I purchased it about 2 weeks ago w/o a license and added it to my insurance for just barely over $200/yr, they said I had a max of 30 days to register it and acquire a license for it. Since I got it brand-new the dealer is taking care of the state registration and license plates so that is a convenience.
So I headed over to my state's dmv driver services web site http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/citizen/drivers/index.asp and there were several helpful links under "Motorcycle License" to get me started. Apparently I need to add the "M" class designation to my current automobile drivers license or get a seperate motorcycle license.
To obtain either of those I must:
-pass a vision test,
-take and pass the motorcycle knowledge exam
-get a motorcycle learner's permit and hold it for 30 days
-pass the motorcycle road test
If I enroll and take the VA Rider Training program and pass I can dispense with the motorcycle learner permit / 30 day requirement, so I called to register however the next available class is in mid-December!
So I went down to my local DMV office and passed the vision test in less than 5 seconds, and took the motorcycle knowledge exam which was 25 questions, I got 4 wrong and passed (I think if you get 5 or more you fail), I just skimmed over the Motorcycle Operator Manual (a pdf file) and didn't take the sample exam at all. After paying $3 I got my motorcycle learner's permit which I have to hold for 30 consecutive days (if you are 19 and younger it is 9 months!), which have some restrictions like no passengers, supervised / escorted by a licensed motorcycle operator over 21 from a separate vehicle, require helmet and eye/face protection.
Since I have owned an off-road cycle before the basics are no problem, despite the fact it has been 20+ years since I have ridden (I was a teenager when I had my Honda CR-80) after jumping on the TW200 the clutch, brakes and 1-down 4-up were very familiar and I drove away after a single practice circle around the dealer parking lot.
The only downer is the the learner permit requirement, it's a bit of restriction until I can ride fully on my own so if possible obtain it *before* you purchase yours or perhaps your state does not have such a requirement and you can take your motorcycle road skills test without one. In my case the 30-day permit is less painful than waiting months until the next available state-sanctioned training class.
I anticipate I will go the 30days and pass the road skills without any problem, once that is done I need to go back to my local DMV office and pay the $10 for a new d/l with the M class status and I am all set.
cheers
I found this Q while searching for info on the motorcycle road test since I also have opted to purchase a motorcycle for the exact same reason (the high cost of gas ) so I will share my experiences thus far.
I researched a lot of scooters and they were not really what I was looking for since you are limited to 35MPH and lower roads (in Virginia) and found the Yamaha TW200 fat-tired bike would suit my needs (I like to call it an off-road all-terrain scooter that gets 75MPG :)
I purchased it about 2 weeks ago w/o a license and added it to my insurance for just barely over $200/yr, they said I had a max of 30 days to register it and acquire a license for it. Since I got it brand-new the dealer is taking care of the state registration and license plates so that is a convenience.
So I headed over to my state's dmv driver services web site http://www.dmv.state.va.us/webdoc/citizen/drivers/index.asp and there were several helpful links under "Motorcycle License" to get me started. Apparently I need to add the "M" class designation to my current automobile drivers license or get a seperate motorcycle license.
To obtain either of those I must:
-pass a vision test,
-take and pass the motorcycle knowledge exam
-get a motorcycle learner's permit and hold it for 30 days
-pass the motorcycle road test
If I enroll and take the VA Rider Training program and pass I can dispense with the motorcycle learner permit / 30 day requirement, so I called to register however the next available class is in mid-December!
So I went down to my local DMV office and passed the vision test in less than 5 seconds, and took the motorcycle knowledge exam which was 25 questions, I got 4 wrong and passed (I think if you get 5 or more you fail), I just skimmed over the Motorcycle Operator Manual (a pdf file) and didn't take the sample exam at all. After paying $3 I got my motorcycle learner's permit which I have to hold for 30 consecutive days (if you are 19 and younger it is 9 months!), which have some restrictions like no passengers, supervised / escorted by a licensed motorcycle operator over 21 from a separate vehicle, require helmet and eye/face protection.
Since I have owned an off-road cycle before the basics are no problem, despite the fact it has been 20+ years since I have ridden (I was a teenager when I had my Honda CR-80) after jumping on the TW200 the clutch, brakes and 1-down 4-up were very familiar and I drove away after a single practice circle around the dealer parking lot.
The only downer is the the learner permit requirement, it's a bit of restriction until I can ride fully on my own so if possible obtain it *before* you purchase yours or perhaps your state does not have such a requirement and you can take your motorcycle road skills test without one. In my case the 30-day permit is less painful than waiting months until the next available state-sanctioned training class.
I anticipate I will go the 30days and pass the road skills without any problem, once that is done I need to go back to my local DMV office and pay the $10 for a new d/l with the M class status and I am all set.
cheers
Baby in a bike seat- what's the youngest age?
Mrs. Kelly
I want to get a bike seat for my baby so she can ride with me. What is the minimum age she can be to ride/wear a helmet? Anyone know?
Answer
Obviously a child can't be on a bike until they can safely wear a helmet.
http://www.helmets.org/little1s.htm
Nobody we have met in the injury prevention field recommends taking an infant of less than 12 months in a bicycle child seat, trailer, sidecar or any other carrier. Nobody. And we do not either.
New York state law prohibits it. The US Consumer Product Safety Commission thinks it is dangerous to take a child under one year on a bicycle, and here is their rationale:
Maurice Keenan, MD, from the American Academy of Pediatrics [21], requested that a minimum age of 1 year be reflected on the label for helmets intended for children under age 5. This would better convey the message that infants (children under age 1) should not be passengers on a bicycle under any circumstance.
The Commission agrees with the commenter that children under 1 year of age should not be on bicycles. Children are just learning to sit unsupported at about 9 months of age. Until this age, infants have not developed sufficient bone mass and muscle tone to enable them to sit unsupported with their backs straight. Pediatricians advise against having infants sitting in a slumped or curled position for prolonged periods. This position may even be exacerbated by the added weight of a bicycle helmet on the infantâs head. Because pediatricians recommend against having children under age 1 as passengers on bicycles, the Commission does not want the certification label to imply that children under age 1 can ride safely.
Source: 16 CFR Part 1203 Safety Standard for Bicycle Helmets; Final Rule, page 11726
That explains why you will not find a child helmet on the market sized for a tiny tot. You certainly do not want to ride with a bare-headed child, and in some places it is illegal. In fact, several states have laws against taking children under one year of age on a bicycle, even with a helmet.
Parents love their babies and love their bicycles, so it is natural to want to put the two together. That thought occurs to every bicycling parent, generally before the child is born. We see messages on the Internet indicating that some parents do put their children in baby seats of one design or another and take them along on trailers starting as young as five weeks. Others use a baby backpack. At slightly older ages, people use front or rear-mounted child seats. A few (mostly in the UK) use sidecars. Each has its advantages and disadvantages. A disclaimer: our purpose here is to cover the risks, so you know what you are getting into. We are hearing more these days about undiagnosed brain injuries, with symptoms too subtle for doctors to detect, but very real to families. And that comes to mind whenever someone asks us about babies and biking. We worry about your six-week-old entering the first grade six years from now with a small but detectable mental handicap. That is alarmist; this is an alarmist page.
http://www.ibike.org/education/infant.htm
Infants: Child Seats Vs. Trailers Vs. Backpacks Vs. Third-wheel Cycles
The primary determinant of when an infant can join his or her parents on bike rides is the strength of the the child's neck. Because of the jostling and the additional weight of a helmet (8-10 oz.), this is a few months after a baby can first hold their head up. Note: Some jurisdictions have laws requiring passengers on bicycles to be at least one year old.
Usually by age 12 months parents can start checking with the child's physician to see if they have the neck development to safely go for a bike ride. Most toddlers' neck and shoulder muscles can tolerate the weight of a helmet and absorb shock from bumps in the road at 1 years old.
We know of no comprehensive study on the best method to carry an infant on a bike and there are risks associated with all of them.. Here are some factors to consider:
Obviously a child can't be on a bike until they can safely wear a helmet.
http://www.helmets.org/little1s.htm
Nobody we have met in the injury prevention field recommends taking an infant of less than 12 months in a bicycle child seat, trailer, sidecar or any other carrier. Nobody. And we do not either.
New York state law prohibits it. The US Consumer Product Safety Commission thinks it is dangerous to take a child under one year on a bicycle, and here is their rationale:
Maurice Keenan, MD, from the American Academy of Pediatrics [21], requested that a minimum age of 1 year be reflected on the label for helmets intended for children under age 5. This would better convey the message that infants (children under age 1) should not be passengers on a bicycle under any circumstance.
The Commission agrees with the commenter that children under 1 year of age should not be on bicycles. Children are just learning to sit unsupported at about 9 months of age. Until this age, infants have not developed sufficient bone mass and muscle tone to enable them to sit unsupported with their backs straight. Pediatricians advise against having infants sitting in a slumped or curled position for prolonged periods. This position may even be exacerbated by the added weight of a bicycle helmet on the infantâs head. Because pediatricians recommend against having children under age 1 as passengers on bicycles, the Commission does not want the certification label to imply that children under age 1 can ride safely.
Source: 16 CFR Part 1203 Safety Standard for Bicycle Helmets; Final Rule, page 11726
That explains why you will not find a child helmet on the market sized for a tiny tot. You certainly do not want to ride with a bare-headed child, and in some places it is illegal. In fact, several states have laws against taking children under one year of age on a bicycle, even with a helmet.
Parents love their babies and love their bicycles, so it is natural to want to put the two together. That thought occurs to every bicycling parent, generally before the child is born. We see messages on the Internet indicating that some parents do put their children in baby seats of one design or another and take them along on trailers starting as young as five weeks. Others use a baby backpack. At slightly older ages, people use front or rear-mounted child seats. A few (mostly in the UK) use sidecars. Each has its advantages and disadvantages. A disclaimer: our purpose here is to cover the risks, so you know what you are getting into. We are hearing more these days about undiagnosed brain injuries, with symptoms too subtle for doctors to detect, but very real to families. And that comes to mind whenever someone asks us about babies and biking. We worry about your six-week-old entering the first grade six years from now with a small but detectable mental handicap. That is alarmist; this is an alarmist page.
http://www.ibike.org/education/infant.htm
Infants: Child Seats Vs. Trailers Vs. Backpacks Vs. Third-wheel Cycles
The primary determinant of when an infant can join his or her parents on bike rides is the strength of the the child's neck. Because of the jostling and the additional weight of a helmet (8-10 oz.), this is a few months after a baby can first hold their head up. Note: Some jurisdictions have laws requiring passengers on bicycles to be at least one year old.
Usually by age 12 months parents can start checking with the child's physician to see if they have the neck development to safely go for a bike ride. Most toddlers' neck and shoulder muscles can tolerate the weight of a helmet and absorb shock from bumps in the road at 1 years old.
We know of no comprehensive study on the best method to carry an infant on a bike and there are risks associated with all of them.. Here are some factors to consider:
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